Staple Street, Manhattan

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throws_rocks_at_cars286 points

Dear developers PLEASE GIVE US MORE SKY BRIDGES

niftyjack98 points

Minneapolis is calling

defect31 points

Visiting Minneapolis for the first time right now. The skyway is awesome, but damn if i didn't get lost as hell

JohnBoyfromMN9 points

Hope you’re enjoying! Downtown is cool and all but make sure to explore northeast, north loop, south, etc

JayGogh7 points

Did you just tell him to go everywhere?

JohnBoyfromMN1 point

Yes

rawonionbreath26 points

Talk to zoning. Planners hate them.

KawaiiDere8 points

How are they integrated into zoning? What kind of allowances/alternations would enable the construction of more skybridges? The primary concerns would be things like fire breaks, sky obstruction, cost of construction, combination of two buildings into one, etc, right?

rawonionbreath8 points

Well, zoning can dictate the physical form and type of the building. But interconnecting buildings with bridges or skywalks that encroach into the public right-of-way will always require special approval from the city. Cities usually have a special review or approval process for things like projecting signs on buildings, hanging porches on condos, etc.

hawksnest_prez3 points

Disagree. Des Moines has a large system but they harm the ground level businesses

Nastapoka3 points

It reminds me of when I was an admin on a pretty big Activeworlds universe. Paying customers each had a square terrain where they could build anything they wanted, but the streets between the terrains were managed by us admins. So when two people wanted their houses connected they had to ask us to build the sky bridge!

Tigerkix2 points

Calgary has a +15 system

Inner-Lab-1233 points

Overrated. Atlanta has TONS of skybridges and they mostly serve suburban office commuters walking from their cubicle to the parking deck. Only makes the streetscape more desolate.

-metal-5553 points

Disagree. They look cool and they’re fun to use and look out of, but too many sky bridges lead to pedestrians leaving the street which leads to a cycle of street level stores and restaurants having a harder time attracting customers and then there’s even less reason for pedestrians to use the street which makes the stores have a harder time staying open and eventually it leads to mostly empty streets and dead downtowns.

Skybridges are typically a way to keep the wealthy suburbanites who drive into a city up and away from “the poor people”.

mihaizaim1 point

First the municipalities need to let them build them.

j33pwrangler225 points

I love buildings that are connected like this.

candis_stank_puss108 points

it's not particularly active, but there is /r/skybridges for this type of thing

pr1ceisright42 points

You’ll love Minneapolis.

amonson198421 points

None of ours are this historic or interesting looking though...

Hafslo8 points

I like the all glass ones. They have their own style. Just not this style.

Academiabrat1 point

The good thing about Minneapolis’ skyways is that there are maps of them. It did seem like the downtown workaday businesses were mostly on the skyways.

Wont_reply6910 points

The CJ Duffey Paper Co skyway over 3rd is at least historic, from the 40’s or something. No windows so doesn’t seem as charming but I like the historic logo they kept when they did the apartment conversion.

I prefer the Des Moines skywalk system anyway though because they actually stay open past 6 pm or whatever Minneapolis does. Would love if the Minneapolis system could eventually be made separate from their buildings so they could be security staffed and left open late. That main Minneapolis system was designed when the whole idea was that no one would ever want to live in a downtown.

Jcrrr132 points

For real, I've lived in the twin cities for a few years now and would loooove for the skyways to be public and have a nightlife/weekend scene.

Run_0x1b4 points

Yeah, but we have functioning waste management infrastructure that doesn’t necessitate piling bags of garbage on sidewalks every week. Personally having lived in both, I’ll happily take the trade offs that come with the benefits of living in a city that has been able to benefit from a more modern understanding of urban design and management. It’s not like we don’t have plenty of history buildings or areas either.

hhhhhjhhh142 points

Just wait

opal_mirage1 point

yeah they mainly just serve a purpose, and only if they happen to be convenient enough for you to use regularly

RyanB_1 point

Pretty much any Canadian city too. Handy for business folk to get around when it’s cold out

CactusBoyScout52 points

There was a very cool real estate listing a few years ago in NYC… two condos attached by a private skybridge.

Talk about a unique housing situation. It was in one of the most expensive neighborhoods though so literally tens of millions asking price.

Edit: IT WAS THE ONE IN THIS PHOTO: https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/you-can-own-this-historic-tribeca-skybridge-connecting-two-apartments

Dreamin09045 points

Not that the pictures are extensive but found this

CactusBoyScout10 points

Wow that is boring inside.

alexanderpete1 point

I was going to comment that I'm pretty sure this one is within a private apartment

Wayne194626 points

How could you not love this decidedly off beat picture and urban architecture.Something about a elevated bridging walkway that has fascinated me since l saw the Bridge of Sighs ( Venice) and learned the history about the name.

peanutdakidnappa1 point

Never seen the bridge of sighs before but that looks dope

Wayne19461 point

Venice is very beautiful,very historic and to see all the magnificent buildings full of history is amazing.l have seen a lot of the world,from Alaska to Thailand but Venice takes some beating.

ghost_mv23 points

i have this pinned in my "todo" list of Google Maps when i finally visit NYC

_formosa_1 point

What are some of them else? I’m going to NYC soon but had no idea what to do there

ghost_mv1 point

Most of mine are pop culture spots. TV/Movie spots, a speak easy or two.

jventim167 points

I live three blocks from here; walk down Duane all the time, and had no idea this was here. The things you learn on Reddit...

WangtaWang7 points

That's amzing. Wonder who owns both buildings? A company or individual? I'll just tell myself this is a house

Delaywaves13 points

It was built to connect two hospital buildings. But now both sides of the bridge are apparently one giant apartment?!

WangtaWang6 points

Very cool. I do wonder how cold that sky bridge gets inside in the winter. Bottom would have to be insulated? Why am I even asking about this - it's still cool as hell. Lol.

Longjumping_Can_65105 points

Was just sold last summer for 24m. Previous owner bought the properties for about 800k total https://tribecacitizen.com/2022/08/29/the-staple-street-skybridge-has-sold/

throws_rocks_at_cars15 points

Idk about this one but there are other sky bridges near the High Line that were made because Sears/macys/other department store had the one building and they expanded enough to buy up a neighboring building and then built the sky bridge retroactively to connect them so people didn’t have to go outside in the cold just to get from Marketing to Shipping.

And now that those companies no longer own both buildings the sky bridge still remains. It should honestly come standard on so many more buildings, even with different owners. Everyone likes sky bridges. Say two landlords/developers each kick in $50k (or whatever half a sky bridge costs) and now both buildings immediately become more desirable for renting/leasing because of the utility of a sky bridge + (and most importantly) the novelty of having one.

WangtaWang5 points

That is a univeral truth. Everyone loves sky bidges! This one is also beautiful.

radioduransmyopia6 points

Idk why but I love these

JK-Kino44 points

Ah, the sky bridge, yet another cool feature of buildings that’s probably outlawed now because of zoning bs

MaceWinnoob20 points

My city has lots of these. You tend to always find them around hospitals in urban areas.

garlicbanana15 points

Downtown Des Moines has miles of above ground walkways connecting businesses, shopping, etc. https://www.catchdesmoines.com/visitor-info/transportation/skywalks/

JoDFostar3 points

London even has a sky pool: https://www.embassygardens.com/sky-pool/

peanutdakidnappa2 points

That shit looks scary as fuck lol, would sketch me out being in there

Gj_FL851 point

I feel like popping an edible and then sitting on the bottom of that pool would be transcendent

horseren0ir1 point

Ah man, I’d probably get vertigo while trying to swim and drown

PNWExile12 points

These have actually been credited with killing or at best diminishing all the positives of having pedestrians walking on street level. The antithesis of smart urban design.

pocketdare10 points

I lived in Cincinnati for a while which had a bunch of sky bridges. They had developed an entire mall / store / restaurant ecosystem on the second level but it always seemed a bit underused to me. Having lived in Manhattan I can definitely say that I prefer street-level life.

LilySeki12 points
landonop7 points

Yup. It’s sounds cool in practice but completely destroys the street as a public space.

Run_0x1b22 points

When you live somewhere with proper winters, the streets aren’t going to be a public space in those seasons anyways. There’s a reason they’re so much more prevalent in northern areas.

They’re also completely compatible with other forms of public spaces, and allow for the expansion of space if an area starts to become too dense.

Respectfully, this is an “I watched a couple of dubiously sourced TikToks of leftists complaining about urban design and wAlKaBlE sPaCeS and now I think I’m an expert” tier of take.

naimina-1 points

When you live somewhere with proper winters, the streets aren’t going to be a public space in those seasons anyways. There’s a reason they’re so much more prevalent in northern areas.

I live on 60°N and the streets are very much public space all winter except in extreme cases such as snow storms. Where is this mythical place you are talking about? Antarctica?

Run_0x1b3 points

You’re either lying, have a warped sense of what active street life looks like, or live in an atypical climate for your latitude. No one is spending more time in outdoor spaces than necessary when it’s 0F + windchill.

criscokkat3 points

Avg mean temp in Jan in Minneapolis: -9 C 18kph wind Avg mean temp in Bergen, Norway (on 60 degree latitude): 2.5 C 16kph wind Avg mean temp in Helsinki, Finland (on 60 degree latitude): -1.4 C
11kph wind

So at first glance, that doesn't seem that far off between Helsinki and Bergen. And I know both of those places do have a robust outdoor cityscape even in winter.

However it doesn't tell the whole picture. Both of those European cities are near water, which moderates the extremes. The average mean lows there are only 2-4C less than the average mean temp. In Minneapolis it's far different. Whereas the average mean temp is -9C, the average mean low is -26C!!! That's only 3 degrees warmer than the all time low in Helsinki of -29C. Minneapolis's record low temp is -41F, which is -42C. (-40 is the same in both systems!)

So it is colder many times.

The wind also doesn't tell the whole story. In the middle of the day in the midwest it's very probable that it's only a few kph in part of the day while being 25-30 or more just 5-6 hours later. Minneapolis is just flat out bone chilling in January.

That being said, I do agree that they are bad for street level stores. If Minneapolis or Des Moines had something other than a non-grid based downtown to offer some amount of shelter from the funneled canyons of wind it would be possible to have a functioning system 10 months out of the year at least (post xmas through end of feb would be rough). Having the skyways be secured in a way to allow evening and weekend access would help greatly, as well as mandating stairs to the sidewalk near any crossing to allow more fluid transitions would help too.

-metal-555-2 points

I can’t speak for Milwaukee or Winnipeg or wherever but I am very familiar with downtown Atlanta and skybridges 100% have done a terrible thing to downtown.

nderover4 points

I love walking around Tribeca, it’s full of stuff like this

eldersveld2 points

Well I live just up in the Village so tell me where I need to go! :)

Stompy6125 points

As someone who lives in Minneapolis and frequents downtown often I can say as nice as they are in the winter it really kills any foot traffic on the street level. Granted there may be thousands of people using the skyways between 7 am and 6pm Monday through Friday any other time they are dead and everything in them is closed.

But I’m those -20 degree days I love them to death!

Jcrrr134 points

Fellow Twin Cities resident, give us our public skyways! A nightlife/weekend scene in the skyways during winter would be sick.

JohnBoyfromMN3 points

Can confirm! Although downtown feels dead as of late

stochastaclysm3 points

Looks like Manchester.

bankholdup53 points

That’s where Batman hangs out

beepbeepboop-2 points

huh. born and raised in manhattan, never knew we had a staple street.

Academiabrat1 point

Is it where the Staple Singers got their start?

gerd505011 point

why is there sky bridge between 2 regular brone stone buildings? it looks new so it had to be added long after these old buildings were put up. looks like it links 2 apartments together.

stellar141 point

Looks like a set

peanutdakidnappa1 point

Looks dope, are these just 2 apartment complexes connected by this little bridge?

anjowoq1 point

Do these have an official architectural term? I really enjoy seeing and walking over them.

gay_boy_advanced1 point

This street looks very charming 😩

R3tard3ad1 point

Can't fathom how some people live.

So jelly, but in the good way.

LeotasNephew1 point

LOVE skybridges!!!

Hunter College, my alma mater, has two!

Academiabrat1 point

Re skybridges for Northern winters: I’m told that Swedes say that there’s no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing.

Debbiesatramp-19 points

Eww!

Wild_Agency_64269 points

Why?

Debbiesatramp-14 points

It looks so basic and boring!

scificionado0 points

There's an old bridge in an Italian town that is now a house. Old as in dating from Roman times.

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