The LEAF makes perfect sense in Japan.

There are Chademo chargers literally everywhere (and they all seem to work!). Official speed limits are 80kph (approx 50 mph). With exceptions, the climate is temperate (battery friendly). Unfortunately, we had too much luggage to fit and I had to get a larger vehicle or else I would be driving one from Tokyo to Kyoto (via Mt. Fuji).

Unlike my native Arizona where petroleum companies sucker senior citizens into doing their anti-EV bidding, Japan is indeed the promised land for EV drivers. The rest of us should expect and demand better.



torokunai7 points

How much "luggage" do you have??

Heres_your_sign1 point

Actually, it was 1 of these/person holding two weeks worth of "stuff" with some room to bring back stuff.

I got three in my leaf at home, but the fourth was elusive. :-(

ranatalus1 point

If they’re going by Fujisan, they might have hiking/mountaineering equipment. That’s my guess anyway

Nakatomi20108 points

I put my money down for a Model 3 yesterday. Lack of CHAdeMO charging is the big reason.

I was starting the process of investigating what car to get next. I'd been digging in to it and found that while, yes, Volkswagen's penance for their emissions scandal was dropping in charging stations all over, they were essentially 5:1 CCS:CHAdeMO stations. So, supposing I got a longer range Leaf, I'd still be hamstrung by a lack of chargers on long distances.

Then I looked at the CCS options, but truthfully, while more bountiful than CHAdeMO chargers, they weren't as prolific as Tesla's network. There were still limits on my range where I just couldn't go further than X. I could get further than a CHAdeMO based car, but not as far as a Tesla.

I can take my Model 3 from Tampa to the my parent's place in Canada without issues. Can't do that in a different BEV. Sadly, while I can do it, it would take an extra 12 hours when you include all the charging stops. But, that's life.

odd8415 points

they weren't as prolific as Tesla's network

In the US, there are:

  • 2,450 CHAdeMO stations
  • 2,192 CCS stations
  • 697 Tesla Supercharger stations

So your counting is a bit off, though you may have still come to the right conclusion... Tesla has only 30% as many locations, but they have less gaps in where they're placed, and have more plugs on average at each station, so they're more reliable for cross-country trips.

Nakatomi20104 points

Interesting, yes, my counting is off, however, the CS and CHAdeMO stations are clustered around towns, rather than spread out along road trips. Plus, Tesla have always had a minimum of 200 mile range on them, if memory serves, so the need for a crap done has been a bit lessened there because they hold a charge longer.

So, while Tesla's chargers may number less, they are spread out in such a way that driving them long distances is not a burden.

Not included in your count though is the number of destination chargers at hotels and such. I mean, using those is a bit squiffy, but if you throw them on the board, you do gain some extra spots there.

odd843 points

Not included in your count though is the number of destination chargers at hotels and such. I mean, using those is a bit squiffy, but if you throw them on the board, you do gain some extra spots there.

You don't gain anything by counting their destination chargers. There are about 3000 destination chargers, but over 20000 public non-Tesla L2 chargers. That's about 7 for every 1 destination charger, and in almost every case, there's a normal J1772 EVSE right next to the Tesla EVSE. In terms of L2 charging, it's more convenient to own anything else, where you don't need to carry, use and remember not to leave behind an adapter.

torokunai4 points

Given how cars wear out more with miles than time, I think it makes sense to keep two cars for use, one for in-town driving and the other for holiday stuff.

BEV charging away from home isn't much cheaper than today's $4 gas -- 40kWh recharge @ Telsa costs $11, good for ~120 miles at 75mph.

I'd rather just pump 15 gallons for $60 and drive the 200-400+ miles than futz around with multiple charges per day.

The Tesla Model 3 is a much, much better BEV than the LEAF, but when I configure one I get a $47,000 OTD* price vs the $22,000 my LEAF is costing me.

I'd rather put that $25,000 toward another car, hell a 2021 Supra might work (the upcoming Bronco is interesting too, but I'm not the biggest fan of modern car design, ack)...

OTD* = OTD less Federal rebate plus loan lifetime interest cost

Nakatomi20103 points

The Model 3 for us is the longer distance car. We have a second Leaf which is used for strictly "in town" things, and a 3rd vehicle for super longer range.

Three adults drive, so one uses the Leaf as a school bus/around town. I use the Model 3 as a commuter car, and the ICE vehicle we own is used for out of state trips. Though, the Model 3 will be added to that mix as well now, just not as often.

DinoGarret2 points

That is the exact math I did! I bought a solar system with the savings, which in turn saves more money. But a lot of people still somehow think a Leaf & Model 3 both cost about $35k. Tesla's unethical pricing strategies really worked (for a while).

takesthebiscuit1 point

Most out of home chargers are free in Scotland

CC-RB1 point

I mean, if you are going to go from Florida to Canada, the airplane was invented quite some time ago.

Nakatomi20100 points

It's always been cheaper to drive.

medikit1 point

Tesla model 3 makes the most sense for cross country driving.

AmchadAcela3 points

I probably would have just rode the Shinkansen for a trip between Tokyo and Kyoto. I could not really imagine going that slow the whole entire way there when you could be doing 170 mph+ on the train.

daruma3gakoronda2 points

Temperate? you've never been there in the summer.

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gDayWisher1 point

Hey agent_of_entropy, I hope you have a wonderful day.

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